Zulgor Warrior Post-Quazar

[challtdow]

Here's the dump from my first character to beat Quazar in .5alpha. I had little problem with most melee enemies no matter what their level, CR 2, or elite/boss status. Magic users and dragons/elementals were a problem the entire time. Several times I had to just run from a boss of those types since they could take kill me in less than 2 turns. Quazar himself was easy since I could outrun him to heal when needed then head back in to hit him some more. I think he'll be much harder on a non-zulgor since they can't ignore his ranged attacks. Overall, I'd say I like the new alpha. The overall difficulty is higher, but without having to worry about being instakilled by some weak monster with a bad boss bonus.

Chall T. Dow


[Portralis 0.5.0 Character Dump]

Name : Chall Alignment 0 STR: 30 101 0 131
Sex : Male Misfortune 0 INT: 5 9 0 14
Race : Zulgor Death Count 12 WIS: 5 17 0 22
Class : Warrior Reincarnate 0 DEX: 10 21 0 31
Element : n/a CON: 33 90 0 123
Score : 1044 CHR: 5 0 0 5

Level 29 Max Hit Points 34171
Experience 72899 Cur Hit Points 34171
+ To Hit 278 Max Exp 72899 Max SP (Mana) 30
+ %To Damage 910 Exp to Adv. 75000 Cur SP (Mana) 30
+ To AC 176 Gold 1256
Ability P 0 Stat Points 0 Blows/Round: 8
Skill Points 0 Blows/Round(2): n/a
Class Level 10 Shots/Round: 1
Class Kills 1000 Wpn.dmg: 635-5334
Wpn2.dmg: n/a
Sht.dmg: n/a
Sht2.dmg: n/a
Infra-Vision: 0 feet
(Character Background) 0
You were born from unknown parents, and grew in orphanage.
Your origins are a mystery, and so is the chaos inside you.
You have green eyes, wavy black and orange hairs, and an
average complexion.
---------- CHARACTER'S SKILLS ---------- --- MISC. INFO ---

a) Fighting: 0 A) Polearms: 125 Wpn.dmg: 635-5334
b) Spellcraft: 0 B) Daggers: 5 Wpn2.dmg: n/a
c) Shooting: 5 C) Axes: 0 Sht.dmg: n/a
d) Throwing: 0 D) Rods: 3 Sht2.dmg: n/a
e) Defense: 93 E) Martial Arts: 0 To_h : 241
f) Agility: 79 F) Bow: 0 To_d : 873
g) Stealth: 0 G) Crossbow: 0 To_a : 176
h) Combat Feats: 0 H) Firearms: 0 AC : 1530
i) Dual Wield: 6 I) Elemental: 0
j) Leadership: 0 J) Alteration: 7
k) Alchemy: 0 K) Mysticism: 0 Dual Wield: No
l) Crafting: 0 L) Conjuration: 0 Press 'u' to toggle.
m) Swords: 0 M) Divination: 0
n) Blunt: 0 N) Magic Defense: 78


Remaining skill points: 0 Press one of the letters to increase the skill.
Press 'x' to view next skills page(if any).
-------------- ABILITIES --------------

Spin Attack [1]
Balanced Warrior [10]
Battle Skill [7]
Irresistible Hits [10]
Counter Attack [1]




-------------- RESISTANCES --------------

Fire: 25
Cold: 40
Electric: 0
Acid: 0
Poison: 0
Light: 0
Darkness: 0
Warp: 0
Water: 0
Wind: 25
Earth: 25
Sound: 6
Radio: 0
Chaos: 100
Physical: 0
Mana: 0




[Miscellaneous information]

Maximize Mode: OFF
Preserve Mode: OFF
Autoscum: ON
Small Levels: ON
Arena Levels: ON
Persistent Dungeons: OFF

Your body was a Player.




You have defeated 2742 enemies.


[Character Equipment]

a) The Iron Pike 'Flame Impaler' (L:8, K:37/40) (4d8) (+37,+37) (+2295 Fire) (10 p
b) (nothing)
e) a Ring of Earth Resistance (+20,+12)
f) a Ring of Resist Cold (+14,+12)
k) an Amulet of Hero (L:8, K:14/40) (+31,+41) (16 points.)
m) (nothing)
n) a Mithril Plate Mail (L:8, K:38/40) (+46,+44) [99,+38] (10 points.)
o) (nothing)
p) an Ice Bracers (L:7, K:26/35) (+26,+30) [0,+0] (14 points.)
s) an Ice Helm (+27,+27) [18,+14]
u) a Pair of Ice Gauntlets (+28,+26) [8,+16]
x) The Pair of Leather Boots 'Windstrider' (L:8, K:19/40) [5,+15] (13 points.) (ch
{) 30 Iron Tipped Bolts (1d5) (+12,+14)
|) (nothing)


[Character Inventory]

a) a Scroll of Word of Recall
b) a Ring of Charisma (+18,+36)
c) a Ring of Light and Darkness Resistance (+27,+39)
d) an Amulet of Hero (+34,+34)
e) a Heavy Leather Armor (+14,+12) [12,+10]
f) an Iron Flail (2d5) (+11,+15)
g) a Steel Spear (1d10) (+26,+24)
h) a Bronze Halberd (2d8) (+6,+10)
i) a Bronze Battle Axe (2d4) (+6,+10) (+73 Poison)
j) a Bronze Warhammer (2d8) (+5,+11)
k) a Steel Saber (5d3) (+20,+30)
l) a Twin-Cannon Battle Rifle (500%, 2/2, 2 ammos/shots) (2 points.)
m) 25 Iron Tipped Arrows (1d4) (+10,+16) (+152 Water)
n) 23 Steel Tipped Arrows (2d3) (+21,+35)
o) 27 Iron Tipped Bolts (1d5) (+23,+17)
p) (nothing)


[Home Inventory (page 1)]

a) gold (20098 golds)
b) 5 Flasks of oil
c) a Scroll of Word of Recall
d) The Staff 'Tempest' (4d8) (+40,+40) [20,+0] (+2000 Wind)
e) a Brass Lantern (with 4051 turns of light)
f) The Steel Shield 'Mirror of steel' (+25,+25) [30,+50]
g) The Steel Shield 'Red Guard' [10,+30]
h) The Steel Shield 'Blue Guard' [10,+30]
i) The Steel Flail 'Chain of Thunder' (5d8) (+25,+25) (+2500 Electric)
j) The Bronze Dagger 'Bee Sting' (L:1, K:0/5) (1d3) (+10,+10) (+50 Poison) (2 poin
k) (nothing)
l

[Variaz]

Glad you liked the alpha. Now try to defeat Balcia, although you might want to wait until I post a hotfix with some changes to the lua code. You might find her quite difficult if you have problems with magic users.

One problem is that enemies skills are currently too high(and I've realized they are more than I remembered). It takes a lot of defensive skill to overcome that, too much at the moment.

You have strong armors to increase your AC, but your Magic Defense doesn't have that luxury. That's probably why you are taking a lot of damages from magic attacks. It's basically 1530 AC vs 234 MDef from your Magic Defense skill. The enemies skills will be similar for both types of attacks, so you can certainly feel the difference between 1530 and 234.

So, enemies skills are being toned down. This means enemy spells will miss more often and you will take less damages from them. On the other hand, I might make some armors more difficult to obtain, such as the Mithril Plate Mail, because let's face it: it shouldn't take a depth 55 armor to survive depth 30.

EDIT: Even with the nerf, 1530 vs 234 seems way too high. Sure, melee has more attacks per rounds to make up for, but considering you also have Agility and Blocking, it seems like it's much easier to defend against melee/ranged than it is against magic. AC may need a slight nerf.

[Gando]

Or Magic might need a bit toning down.

[Gando]

Also it is clear some classes have a it a little easier than others as my stats on my Celestial aren't even close to Chall's. My best items are about 1/10th as good and not a single blue among them. All on a character that is only 9 levels lower.

[challtdow]

I didn't collect those blues until right before taking on Quasar. Most were items I had Magic'd and Eternaled previously. I collected alot of good loot on the last few floors before Quasar and was able to buy the leveling scrolls for them. I will admit to save scumming a little to get Windstrider. It was held by a boss young black dragon that probably killed me 20 times before I managed to wear him down. He could kill me in 2 turns from breathing even with 50% acid resist. That was a great level. I also found Chain of Thunder there and Orcslayer was apparently there as well, but I missed it. As for my stats, as a warrior using polearms I really only need STR and CON with a little DEX. I've made sure to only keep equipment that focuses on them when I have a choice. I've actually thrown away several Magic'd helms and bracers because they kept giving me INT and Spellpower bonuses.

Chall T. Dow

[Variaz]

I did more tests, with a level 30 test character with 100 defense and 100 magic defense.

Used a magic iron full plate(base AC 63, depth 35) and a full set of magic steel equipment. Equipment which makes perfect sense for a level 30 character.

This character ended up with 1469 AC vs 300 MDef. Why is there such a difference? Because of the to_a bonus. This is the real problem here. This makes a HUGE difference, and makes AC a LOT higher than MDef thanks to that.

So, in order to balance things a bit, what I plan to do is:
- Make to_a more difficult to obtain. Reduce or even remove the to_a bonus from Defense skill, and reduce the to_a bonus available on items.
- However, to_a should also affect Magic Defense's mitigation. After all, to_a is a magical enhancement, so it makes sense for a magical enhancement to affect Magic mitigation too! (will probably rename to_a to to_m, To Mitigation bonus)

This will serve as both a nerf to AC which is currently too high, and a buff to Magic Defense, which will help with magic damages which are currently too powerful.

[challtdow]

Here's an update at lvl 35 and depth 50:

[Portralis 0.5.0 Character Dump]

Name : Chall Alignment 0 STR: 36 117 0 153
Sex : Male Misfortune 0 INT: 5 1 0 6
Race : Zulgor Death Count 25 WIS: 5 50 0 55
Class : Warrior Reincarnate 0 DEX: 10 51 0 61
Element : n/a CON: 39 113 0 152
Score : 395 CHR: 5 15 0 20

Level 35 Max Hit Points 58302
Experience 370963 Cur Hit Points 58302
+ To Hit 763 Max Exp 370963 Max SP (Mana) 3
+ %To Damage 1479 Exp to Adv. 450000 Cur SP (Mana) 3
+ To AC 133 Gold 0
Ability P 0 Stat Points 0 Blows/Round: 8
Skill Points 0 Blows/Round(2): 1
Class Level 10 Shots/Round: 1
Class Kills 1000 Wpn.dmg: 1490-14155
Wpn2.dmg: n/a
Sht.dmg: n/a
Sht2.dmg: n/a
Infra-Vision: 0 feet
(Character Background) 0
You were born from unknown parents, and grew in orphanage.
Your origins are a mystery, and so is the chaos inside you.
You have green eyes, wavy black and orange hairs, and an
average complexion.
---------- CHARACTER'S SKILLS ---------- --- MISC. INFO ---

a) Fighting: 0 A) Polearms: 167 Wpn.dmg: 1490-14155
b) Spellcraft: 0 B) Daggers: 5 Wpn2.dmg: n/a
c) Shooting: 5 C) Axes: 0 Sht.dmg: n/a
d) Throwing: 0 D) Rods: 0 Sht2.dmg: n/a
e) Defense: 119 E) Martial Arts: 0 To_h : 723
f) Agility: 95 F) Bow: 0 To_d : 1427
g) Stealth: 14 G) Crossbow: 21 To_a : 133
h) Combat Feats: 0 H) Firearms: 0 AC : 2003
i) Dual Wield: 6 I) Elemental: 9
j) Leadership: 0 J) Alteration: 35
k) Alchemy: 0 K) Mysticism: 0 Dual Wield: Yes
l) Crafting: 0 L) Conjuration: 30 Press 'u' to toggle.
m) Swords: 0 M) Divination: 0
n) Blunt: 0 N) Magic Defense: 108


Remaining skill points: 0 Press one of the letters to increase the skill.
Press 'x' to view next skills page(if any).
-------------- ABILITIES --------------

Spin Attack [1]
Balanced Warrior [10]
Battle Skill [10]
Irresistible Hits [10]
Counter Attack [1]
Weapons Mastery [3]




-------------- RESISTANCES --------------

Fire: 0
Cold: 10
Electric: 0
Acid: 0
Poison: 0
Light: 0
Darkness: 0
Warp: 0
Water: 0
Wind: 25
Earth: 0
Sound: 0
Radio: 40
Chaos: 100
Physical: 10
Mana: 0




[Miscellaneous information]

Maximize Mode: OFF
Preserve Mode: OFF
Autoscum: ON
Small Levels: ON
Arena Levels: ON
Persistent Dungeons: OFF

Your body was a Player.


You have defeated 5486 enemies.


[Character Equipment]

a) a Mithril Halberd (L:10, K:42/50) (8d9) (+40,+52) (20 points.)
b) (nothing)
e) a Ring of Speed (L:21, K:1/105) (+75,+73) (42 points.)
f) a Ring of Lordly Protection (L:14, K:68/70) (+123,+55) [19,+14] (28 points.)
k) an Amulet of Hero (L:23, K:51/115) (+64,+74) (26 points.)
m) (nothing)
n) a Mithril Plate Mail (L:23, K:72/115) (+79,+77) [99,+38] (24 points.)
o) an Elven Cloak (L:20, K:19/100) (+58,+64) [5,+24] (40 points.)
p) a Mithril Bracers (L:14, K:5/70) (+51,+67) [1,+12] (28 points.)
s) an Ice Helm (L:19, K:46/95) (+55,+55) [18,+14] (38 points.)
u) a Pair of Ice Gauntlets (L:20, K:19/100) (+59,+57) [8,+16] (40 points.)
x) The Pair of Leather Boots 'Windstrider' (L:23, K:56/115) [5,+15] (25 points.)
{) a Returning Bronze Tipped Bolt (L:21, K:84/105) (1d4) (+59,+53) (35 points.)
|) The Thunder Drum 'Tolgo Drumset' (L:10, K:35/50) (6d10) (+60,+60) (20 points.)


[Character Inventory]

a) 2 Scrolls of Word of Recall
b) (nothing)


[Home Inventory (page 1)]

a) gold (100000 golds)
b) gold (100000 golds)
c) gold (5351 golds)
d) 9 Scrolls of Word of Recall
e) The Staff 'Tempest' (4d8) (+40,+40) [20,+0] (+2000 Wind)
f) an Ice Bracers (L:18, K:75/90) (+46,+50) [0,+0] (16 points.)
g) The Steel Shield 'Mirror of steel' (+25,+25) [30,+50]
h) The Steel Shield 'Red Guard' [10,+30]
i) The Steel Shield 'Blue Guard' [10,+30]
j) The Steel Flail 'Chain of Thunder' (5d8) (+25,+25) (+2500 Electric)
k) The Bronze Dagger 'Bee Sting' (L:1, K:0/5) (1d3) (+10,+10) (+50 Poison) (2 poin
l) The Iron Pike 'Flame Impaler' (L:20, K:26/100) (4d8) (+61,+61) (+2901 Fire) (18


[Home Inventory (page 2)]

a)

[Gando]

I honestly don't get how you find so many yellows...haven't found one yet.

[challtdow]

I check the artifact list upon entering a new level whether or not I get a special feeling. I also check periodically when fighting summoners/breeders. If a new one gets added then I check bosses/elites I meet for the correct item type and focus my attention on the ones that have it. Also, like I said earlier, if it's something I really want, like Windstrider, I may save-scum once I know it's on the level. Though, for this guy that was the only case of save-scumming he's done.

Chall T. Dow

[challtdow]

To keep the clutter down, I'm going to g ahead and post my new character here as well. He's a kobold marksman who just beat Quazar. Just like my other guys, he didn't have much trouble with him. Though quazar only teleported me around while I shot him. I was just using normal attacks and doing ~15-30k per shot, and I killed him in two rounds. I did reincarnate a couple times to work with crafting. Wasn't able to do much due to need 10*depth to make anything, and I won't do it again since I found out you can't make them levelable. Well, here he is:
[Portralis 0.5.0 Character Dump]

Name : Truimog Alignment 0 STR: 10 29 0 39
Sex : Male Misfortune 1 INT: 5 25 0 30
Race : Kobold Death Count 9 WIS: 6 19 0 25
Class : Marksman Reincarnate 6 DEX: 41 136 0 177
Element : n/a CON: 21 35 0 56
Score : 123 CHR: 5 14 0 19

Level 29 Max Hit Points 9126
Experience 57594 Cur Hit Points 9126
+ To Hit 377 Max Exp 57594 Max SP (Mana) 80
+ %To Damage 553 Exp to Adv. 75000 Cur SP (Mana) 80
+ To AC 53 Gold 60
Ability P 0 Stat Points 0 Blows/Round: 6
Skill Points 0 Blows/Round(2): n/a
Class Level 10 Shots/Round: 5
Class Kills 1000 Wpn.dmg: 0-0
Wpn2.dmg: n/a
Sht.dmg: 1376-7396
Sht2.dmg: n/a
Infra-Vision: 0 feet
(Character Background) 0
You are one of a few children of a kobold warrior. You were
born in sewers. You have black eyes and green scales.


---------- CHARACTER'S SKILLS ---------- --- MISC. INFO ---

a) Fighting: 0 A) Polearms: 0 Wpn.dmg: 0-0
b) Spellcraft: 0 B) Daggers: 0 Wpn2.dmg: n/a
c) Shooting: 100 C) Axes: 10 Sht.dmg: 1376-7396
d) Throwing: 0 D) Rods: 0 Sht2.dmg: n/a
e) Defense: 36 E) Martial Arts: 8 To_h : 350
f) Agility: 160 F) Bow: 0 To_d : 514
g) Stealth: 40 G) Crossbow: 115 To_a : 53
h) Combat Feats: 0 H) Firearms: 0 AC : 406
i) Dual Wield: 0 I) Elemental: 7
j) Leadership: 0 J) Alteration: 0
k) Alchemy: 7 K) Mysticism: 0 Dual Wield: No
l) Crafting: 0 L) Conjuration: 0 Press 'u' to toggle.
m) Swords: 6 M) Divination: 0
n) Blunt: 8 N) Magic Defense: 89


Remaining skill points: 0 Press one of the letters to increase the skill.
Press 'x' to view next skills page(if any).
-------------- ABILITIES --------------

Counter Shot [1]
Sharpshooter [13]
Piercing Shot [1]
Accurate Shots [14]





-------------- RESISTANCES --------------

Fire: 0
Cold: 15
Electric: 0
Acid: 0
Poison: 75
Light: 0
Darkness: 0
Warp: 0
Water: 0
Wind: 0
Earth: 0
Sound: 0
Radio: 25
Chaos: 25
Physical: 0
Mana: 0




[Miscellaneous information]

Maximize Mode: OFF
Preserve Mode: OFF
Autoscum: ON
Small Levels: ON
Arena Levels: ON
Persistent Dungeons: OFF

Your body was a Player.




You have defeated 1546 enemies.


[Character Equipment]

a) a Heavy Crossbow (L:6, K:19/30) (430%, 1/6, 1 ammos/shots) (+27,+39) (12 points
b) (nothing)
e) a Ring of Resist Radioactivity (L:2, K:6/10) (+25,+27) (4 points.)
f) a Ring of Chaos Resistance (+25,+25)
k) an Amulet of the Ninja (L:2, K:6/10) (+33,+19) (4 points.)
m) an Orb (+32,+32)
n) a Mithril Plate Mail (+38,+34) [93,+10]
o) an Elven Cloak (+22,+36) [5,+18]
p) an Ice Bracers (+32,+20) [0,+0]
s) an Ice Helm (+22,+28) [18,+7]
u) a Pair of Ice Gauntlets (+26,+26) [8,+9]
x) a Pair of Scouts Boots (+27,+23) [4,+9]
{) an Ice Bolt (2d5) (+22,+24)
|) an Old Flute (1d6) (+19,+11)


[Character Inventory]

a) a Scroll of Word of Recall
b) an Iron-Plated Rod (1d9) (+36,+34)
c) a Ring of Free Action (+24,+32)
d) a Leather Armor (+15,+21) [5,+7]
e) an Iron Shield (+17,+17) [10,+5]
f) a Pair of Iron Gauntlets (+16,+22) [5,+7]
g) a Bronze Great Axe (2d9) (+20,+16)
h) a Steel Great Axe (6d12) (+48,+38)
i) a Steel Great Axe (4d9) (+19,+25)
j) a Bronze Pike (2d5) (+13,+23)
k) a Steel Mace (3d4) (+24,+20)
l) a Bronze Chakram (3d5) (+21,+25)
m) (nothing)


[Home Inventory (page 1)]

a) gold (34630 golds)
b) The Horn of Unhealth (3d8) (+30,+30)
c) 64 Scrolls of Word of Recall
d) The Staff 'Tempest' (4d8) (+40,+40) [20,+0] (+2000 Wind)
e) The Bronze Mail of the Healthy (+10,+10) [25,+20]
f) The Cloak 'Abjurer's Cloak' (+10,+10) [5,+5]
g) The Steel Shield 'Mirror of steel' (+25,+25) [30,+50]
h) The Steel Shield 'Red Guard' [10,+30]
i) The Pair of Leather Boots 'Windstrider' [5,+15]
j) The Iron Pike 'Flame Impaler' (L:1, K:0/5) (4d8) (+30,+30) (+2000 Fire) (2 poin
k) (nothing)

Chall T. Dow

[Gando]

The not levelable thing sounds like a bug? I mean they were levelable in 4.0 right? Or am I misremembering that?

It would be a shame if because the focus on this alpha test was the base melee classes and mage/marksman that Crafting became unplayable.

[Variaz]

Nov 23, 2010 11:56:02 GMT -5 Gando said:

The not levelable thing sounds like a bug? I mean they were levelable in 4.0 right? Or am I misremembering that?

It would be a shame if because the focus on this alpha test was the base melee classes and mage/marksman that Crafting became unplayable.

They weren't levelable in 0.4, and they aren't in 0.5 either.

[Gando]

Ah its been over a year I think since I last played with crafting, so I couldn't remember. I thought you COULD use a scroll of Item Leveling on them but as its been so long my memory is foggy on the subject.