Brandcaster

[Gando]

Sekira:

I think that being able to transfer a meager brand into insane branding is not just broken and a bug but using it is an exploit. HOWEVER this is rather a victimless crime since the only one you are cheating is yourself*.

You actually used the word cheating this time. Unbelievable. I'd like you to explain to me how it is a bug and an exploit when that is exactly how V wrote it to work.

I suppose V could have made a mistake, but this doesn't look like an oversight to me, it looks like it is working exactly like he intended it to work. But, just to be absolutely sure, lets ask him instead of just making blatant accusations of exploiting bugs, shall we? I mean, it is true, I could be wrong. Maybe he didn't intend it to work this way, but lets hear it from him...

Variaz, does essence transfer work the way you intended, or not?

variaz said

The fact that Essence Transfer can be used on a pack of potion wasn't really something I thought about, but I can see that there's definitly an exploit here. Buying 99 potions of water, and then using Essence Transfer is a really easy way to get good potions. Perhaps too easy.

Are you satisfied that the bug/exploit/cheat (which you were nice enough to bring to our attention) is exactly that? This should in no way cast aspersions or doubts on your character. There was never any intention to accuse you of anything except maybe reading into things where no offense was given.

Sekira - To be clear: I have not ever nor am I now accusing you of cheating. I dont know you nor would I care to sit in judgement on your actions and behaviors if I did. Most particularly in a game where the players are solo. (as I said before any cheating in such a game is a victimless crime. It just spoils the fun so to speak and makes the game less interesting.) So my comments were not despite your apparent paranoia a personal attack on you. I think you need to really READ and parse the text in front of you before becoming offended. If this text offends you then there is nothing I can do about that. Anyway if it still does I suggest for your own sake you just ignore my odd ramblings.

[sekira]

I wrote my last post when I was tired and I was coming down with something, so I think my nerves were a little on edge. I read it again and I guess I went a little over the top with it.

I get why it seems broken to allow a brand to be transferred to 99 water potions, which are 1 gold each I believe (maybe 2 or 3) and very easy to get a hold of.

On the other hand I still think that essence transfer should work on stacks of potions. After all, alchemic branding already works on stacks of ammos, which is how it should be I think.

This is why I think that Variaz's solution is a great one.

when essence transferring, the brand damage of the new potion (or stack of potions) should be the lowest of the following:

1. The brand damage of the source weapon or potion
2. The brand damage of the desitination potion(s)
3. 10 x your level in Essence Transfer (as it states in the help)

This way you will have to start with a decent brand and also target a decently high brand potion stack in order to get the max brand damage for your level in Essence Transfer.

I do believe all the values above should be before adjustments for Alchemy skill, meaning, compare the actual brands, rather than the potion power.

I still also belive that if the essence that you are transferring is type GF_STRENGTH, GF_HEROISM, or GF_STAR_HEROISM and the destination is a potion or potion stack, then the MODERATE_POWER flag should be set on the destination potion(s). I already mentioned the reasons for that in the 0.3 Bugs thread.